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abortion after he found out she was pregnant. the scandals. do they even matter anymore? and the money lead. i'm going to let you finish, kanye, but taylor swift did something this weekend that you cannot take away. why the small-town girl is now the most powerful name in music. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the u.s. using its air power to blow up planes over american soil. a u.s. strike killed this man, david drugeon, part of the khorasan group. they say that drugeon attempted to put jihadists on planes with
undetectable explosives. the attack was one blip in a wave of strikes yesterday and today across syria but none of those blitzes was against isis. syrian activists also claim the u.s. took out six militants with the al nusra front. that's another terrorist cell closely aligned with al qaeda. with all indications indicating towards a splintering operation, military brass in the u.s. insist that the isis campaign, the reason u.s. planes first crossed into the war-torn country, they say it's working. the general in charge of operations against isis, lloyd austin told me at a forum earlier today that air strikes have made isis afraid to congregate in any sizeable formation. he also suggested that the coalition is able to listen in on the terrorist group's
communications. as we listened to them, he said, we know that the impact of the precision strikes is demoralizing to them. barbara starr has more on the details. what can you tell snus. >> jake, you mentioned the al nusra front and the u.s. says it was not targeting the al nusra front. it was targeting the khorasan group and now they do believe they got their man. the u.s. put together critical intelligence about where this man, french jihadist, david drugeon, might be riding in a vehicle in northern syria. after tracking him, a u.s. drone fired a missile striking drugeon's car. officials believe he was killed but they are still trying to confirm that. drugeon was a key leader in the khorasan group, a cell of
operatives who moved to pakistan. the u.s. called him an imminent threat. >> the united states has very good intelligence about the movements of khorasan operatives, particularly of the drugeon. they either have a guy inside the group or near the fringes of the group or they were able to pick up specific electronic transmissions indicating their movements. >> drugeon was believed to be working on bombs that could potentially get past airport screening and facilitating the movement of fighters in and out of europe to syria. and possibly back to the united states. in addition to the strike believed to have killed drugeon, a b-1 bomber hit other cars as well as bomb-making facilities and training areas, according to
the u.s. military. the u.s. has been frantically hunting for drugeon since september 26th when an initial round of u.s. air strikes failed to kill him, as well as mushin al fadhl, the khorasan leader. >> this does not remove the threat that khorasan poses to the united states. they are likely to have other bomb makers. this is al qaeda's a-team. >> and the big worry right now is that there are other khorasan operatives out there and the u.s. may not even know who they are. jake? >> barbara, at this point, how much are these strikes meant to take out isis? how much of this campaign is being directed at khorasan oral ne or al nusra front? >> the problem is finding them
and targeting so you can hit them. isis, you're talking about thousands of fighters spread out town by town across a good chunk of syria and iraq. they are collecting intelligence, fly overhead, they look for them, target them when they can. everyone will tell you, targeting isis could go on for months if not years. these other groups, jake, al nusra, other groups in iraq tied to al qaeda. they are saying, look, our top priority is isis and the khorasan group but the other groups are mixed in at various locations. if they happen to get killed in a strike, so be it. the pentagon insists it's not targeting them outright, at least not now. jake? >> barbara starr at the pentagon, thank you so much. while the u.s. air campaign continues to target all manner of terrorist outposts, the goal of the past day strikes was to take out this french bomber. intelligence officials say
drugeon was a key bomb maker with an evolving arsenal. he was reportedly working on a palm-size explosive that could blow a hole in a 777. pamela brown has more. what can you tell us about this bomb maker david drugeon. >> sources say that he was one of the most active bomb makers within the khorasan group. that makes him one of the most dangerous terrorists in the world. initially they were going to develop metallic devices that could be put on a plane that would be assembled and used to blow up the airplane. sources say he was working on a variety of bombs that could be easily disguised in every day common objects, such as a cell phone, toothpaste tube and objects like that. he could be using every day chemicals, a small well-placed
bomb like what drugeon was to be creating, it could puncture the skin of the airplane and cause the plane to go down. that's what he was focused on. >> and through most accounts, drugeon had a relatively normal upbringing, a middle-class kid in france. how did he end up this plotter of evil bomb plots? >> it's really interesting when you look back at his childhood. his dad was a bus driver, his mom was a secretary. she was catholic. that's how he was raised. and then apparently when he was 13, his parents got divorced. and like we see in so many of these cases, that's when he began to become radicalized. 14 he converted and moved to pakistan and then made his way to syria in the past couple of years and then became, like we said, one of the most wanted terrorists in the world, jake.
>> pamela braown, thank you so much. >> thank you. for more on this, i want to go to robert mcfadden. he's senior vice president at the zuppan group. what are you hearing from military officials about these devices? how close was this bomb maker to getting someone on an airplane, either wears these clothes drenched in explosive or with one of these devices? >> well, from what's been consistently reported for some time in the late spring, early summer, it appears that the al qaeda element and in this case, in syria, it was close. when it comes to priorities for the u.s. going back to before 9/11, al qaeda, its leadership cycles and then those with the highest skills, such as master bomb maker. you know he had to be on the target list for a number of months.
>> but did they think this was only a matter of months before he actually succeeded in getting one of these explosives, one of these devices on a plane? >> you know what, we're not really hearing where the cell was exactly in the operational cycle. but jake, it doesn't really matter in the sense that it's very, very important to disrupt forward motion. so whether they were in terms of months or even longer, it doesn't matter so much in terms of going after them as a target. back to your original question, it appears that they had the capability far along the path. >> drugeon, of course, wasn't the only bomb maker among terrorist groups. ibrahim al asuri is still out there and killing one bomb maker will not eliminate this particular threat. right? >> absolutely. al qaeda core has had a train the trainer program, where you have a master bomb maker like al asiri that trains prototypes and
the master bomb maker was a man that's been killed in 2006. but none ttheless, the program continues because they aggressively train others. >> this is potentially a deadly game of call and response where the u.s. reacts to these attempts. richard reid is why we have to take our shoes off at the airport. and then the tsa put in body scanners after the attempted underwear bomber. when this bomb maker came on the radar, some international travelers had to turn on their phones at security to make sure they were actual phones. how do you think the tsa is going to react to this or should react to this? is there anything more preventive that should be done? >> well, the measures, more than likely, would continue. as you rightly point out, there are others out there.
for example, there's a norwegian citizen who is also known to be in that same category to have been trained by al qaeda's best bomb making skills and technicians. so it becomes a case of this cat and mouse game, intelligence operation, law enforcement cooperations and sharing information and vital bits of pieces of information to put that mosaic together as to what their intentions, targets, and capabilities are. so that will continue. >> airports are the last line of defense for plots like this. how confident are you that airports in istanbul and doha and hamburg are ready? >> that's a really good point because, as we know, those who travel internationally and have worked in the business, there are degrees of skills and sophistication. however, what has changed in a really big way in the 9/11 era is the cooperation between the u.s. and the uk, for example,
where there are u.s. flag and co-chair carriers. for me professionally, i have a high degree of confidence that airport's last line of defense is inadequate. however, the intelligence part of it, getting those pieces is absolutely indispensable. >> u.s. officials have been concerned about this explosive-soaked clothing since 2013, maybe even before then. what's the next device or means that we have not yet heard of that terror analysts are worried about? >> it's as broad as your imagination. i know during my time of interviews from the past, described in great detail how important it is when talking about al qaeda core to come up with different devices and different ways to sew fear. and that's why aviation is part of the fear fact are to, continues to be one of the primary targets. as far as devices, again, it's just as broad and as wide as the
imagination. >> robert mcfadden, thank you. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. coming up on "the lead," president obama's relationship with the new senate majority mitch mcconnell and the new republican majority, well, it's already off to a rocky start. where they agree to disagree about everything. and the money lead. maybe the secret to success in today's music industry is being taylor swift. how her latest album is reinventing the pop world. stay with us. so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches? 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving.
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president himself. he made it clear in his post-election news conference, he's planning still no negotiations necessary executive action on immigration reform. today, house speaker john boehner, who's about to have the biggest since herbert hooser. >> i was expecting a victory lap conference that the speaker of the house was talking about. but it's no so easy in today's times. house speaker john boehner minced no words, not to use his executive power without congress. >> when you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself and he's going to burn himself if he continues to go down this path. >> reporter: quite different from the post-election path of compromise and getting things
done. and what was supposed to be a let's work together op-ed between john boehner and mitch mcconnell, republicans know that's not going to happen when president obama is in office. how do you expect the president to trust that you want to work together when you say you want to repeal his signature law? how do you expect him to trust you? >> listen, my job is to listen to the american people. the american people have made it clear, they are not for obamacare. ask all of the democrats that lost the election on tuesday night. >> reporter: but the president is infuriated by the plan to issue executive order allowing some illegal immigrants to stay legally when he helped democrats on the ballot who lost anyway. >> i feel obliged to do everything i can lawfully with my executive order to make sure
that we don't keep on making the system worse. >> reporter: boehner personally wants immigration reform. rank and file republicans don't. that, plus what republicans view as the president's defiance at his own post-election news conference a day earlier fueled boehner's combative tone. >> if he acts unilaterally on his own outside of his authority, he will poison the well and there will be no chance of immigration reform. it's as simple as that. >> boehner added that he doesn't see his job as just to get along with the president, that it's to listen to the members. when we're talking about poison wells and waving red flags in front of bulls, it doesn't sound like the washington that everybody is talking about that needs to work and that's what they say the message from voters was on election night. >> that's interesting, because there are both democrats and
some republicans on capitol hill who thought that speaker boehner expanding his majority would give him more wriggle room to do the things he wants to do, that president obama wants to do, immigration reform. it doesn't sound like he thinks that. >> it doesn't. i think there are two reasons. one is on the issue of immigration. he really generally does want to do this. you know that he wants to do something that's important to him. >> he said he's going to do it. >> exactly. there's that. but also as a leader of the party, he knows how important it is to reach out to latinos and so forth and knows his caucus. he's been down this road. he understands that it doesn't take a lot for them to get their backs up when it comes to the president. executive order on immigration, forget about it. that's why he was talking about that. also, i do think that talking to a republican source, he will have more wcriggle room.
but on something like immigration, it's a great story. >> dana bash, thank you so much. coming up on "the lead," they are the most unlikely pen pals on the planet. president obama writing to iran's supreme leader to talk about taking on a common enemy. and in national news, ferguson, missouri, bracing for that grand jury decision in the michael brown shooting and for more violence. no matter which way it goes. will cops change tactics this time around? eeeeeeeeeeeeee financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise
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welcome back to "the lead". i'm jake tapper. turning to other world news, it's the ultimate diplomatic back channel. how much trade craft and how many dead drops did it take to get a letter from the white house to tehran? we might never know. now cnn can confirm that was first reported from "the wall street journal" that president obama secretly wrote to ayatollah urging the leader for cooperation in the u.s.-led campaign against isis. for more details, let's go to
elise labott. what can you tell us about the content of this letter? >> well, jake, it's fascinating that the president reached out to the supreme leader and said, listen, there's a lot of shared interests here between the u.s. and iran. obviously iran is not a friend of isis and doesn't want them taking over territory in iraq and syria where iran has great interest in both countries and said, listen, shared interests but the nuclear deal, as you know, the deadline is approaching, november 24th, a major impediment to further cooperation. i have to say, this is not the first time that the u.s. has reached out to iran asking for their cooperation with isis. in fact, the supreme leader made comments last month that both the u.s. ambassador to iraq, john kerry, have all reached out to iran's foreign minister and ambassadors and so far iran is being very coy about what they
are willing to do. >> elise, what's the potential downside of reaching out to him? obviously this is somebody who is perceived to be an enemy of the west. >> well, a couple of things. even if there was a deal on november 24th, u.s. officials caution that there's a lot of other problems that they have with iranian behavior, state-sponsored terrorism around the world, if there was a deal that's not to say that the flood gates would open for cooperation with isis or other matters. and so they still have to resolve some of that. and the other drawback is that iran says no. listen, we understand that you're desperate right now, you need our help, but we're not going to give it. we're going to go off on our own and that's the biggest fear that iran will continue to play its own game in iraq and not coordinate with what they are trying to do and the u.s. feels
there's no reason why they can't cooperate. >> elise labott, thank you. coming up on "the money lead," taylor swift shakes off spotify. how she has single handedly written off music obituaries this week. ♪ we are never getting back together ♪ i'd just gotten married. i was right out of school. my family's all military. you don't know what to expect. then suddenly you're there... in another world. i did my job.
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swift did but the way she did it that has gotten the music industry so smitten. ♪ shake, shake, shake >> reporter: just face it, you're done. this song will be in your head for the rest of the day. but here's some unshakeable news to remember. along with taylor swift's lyrics, her album "1989", sold, sold, sold. taylor swift was responsible for 22% of all album sales in the nation last week. hers is the first album in 2014 to breach the million mark. nee nearly 1.3 million sales in the first week. that's twice the population of her beloved nashville, tennessee. experts predicted "1989" would sell 650,000 the first week. you went and bought 1.287
million albums and it's got me like -- ♪ swift should feel amazing. a platinum release is a big deal. because with the growing popularity of streaming music sites and individual digital song sales -- ♪ we are never ever getting back together ♪ >> reporter: to many experts, it seemed that music fans were never, ever, ever getting back together with the idea of purchasing full albums. ♪ we are never getting back together, like ever ♪ >> reporter: according to billboard magazine, album sales are down 13% this year. even worse than the 8% plunge in sales the year before. swift's special brand and the love/hate relationship that might invoke some adult fans -- >> i don't like taylor swift. i know i don't. >> yes, you do. you friggin love her. >> reporter: were just smoked by
"saturday night live." >> they are swift to me. >> reporter: but streaming service spotify is not laughing. the 24-year-old yanked her music leaving 40 million users wondering -- ♪ why you got to be so mean >> reporter: but swift is not being mean. she's being savvy, discouraging free streaming to help boost lucrative listening. "music is art and art is important and rare," swift recently wrote in an op-ed. "important rare things are valuable. valuable things should be paid for." so as you hum this million dollar diddy the rest of the day, swift's plan is working. ♪ that's what people say ♪ that's what people say >> after news broke, swift put out a throwback picture of herself from 2002. that was the last year that an
album sold as many albums as her current one did in a single week. the music world has changed quite a bit in 12 years, 2002, swift was only 12 years old. joining me now is christopher john farley, the editor of the entertainment blog. christopher, good to see you again. the eminem album came out before the ipod and instagram. how is swift able to do it? >> well, her album is kind of a throwback because of its sound invoking pop hits of yesteryear and the sales scoring the kind of platinum numbers that we haven't seen in about a decade. and the reason is, you know, they say that sex sells. in taylor swift's case,
ex sells. she's broken up with nashville and country music and turned that into a it had. part of her charm, part of the secret of her success is she turns her albums into events. she gives you reasons why you have to go out and you must buy this new album. in the past, she's done it by saying, this is an album i'm doing by myself. i'm writing all of the songs. she had great duets and now with this album it's her first pop album and that gave people a reason to go out there and buy it and experience her music as if for the first time. >> now, we've seen other artists try to figure out how to negotiate this new, difficult world. jay-z and youtube have teamed up with corporations for album promotions. and while those stunts helped, they didn't see swift's level of success. why do you think her approach has been so much more successful? >> unwith, she really takes a
hands-on approach of her marketing. she's very visible in it. i remember when i interviewed her for her last album, i was surprised -- maybe not surprised b but interested to see that she puts as much interest and effort into the marketing of her music as she does into the writing of it. for this new album, she formed really smart partnerships with target and sold extra tracks at target, a smart promotion with diet coke which helped sell her albums through the commercials. she was on yahoo! streaming an early event to tell people that this album was coming but they helped people draw to her album and, plus, her incredible presence on twitter and instagram. you saw her rapping along to a kendrick lamar track. all of this makes people feel that they have a piece of her, they know her intimately and makes her more prone to want to go out there and buy one of her
releases. >> you said you met her. quickly if you could, christopher, you met her, you've spent time with her. how much of this is her steering the ship and how much is it her surrounding herself with brilliant people? not to take away from people who surround themselves with smart people. is it really her the ceo of this smart brand? >> sometimes when you talk with the artists, they don't know what is happening or which single will be released next. she was up on all of the details. she knows what is going on because she's directing the ship. she's the one in control but she does have a very nimble record company. big machine records as an independent national-based label and because i think she has a nimble record company, it allows her to move with social media, to navigate partnerships with different brands and to get her work out there. i'm sure a lot of artists are saying, why can't i get a million hits like she pulled off
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welcome back to "the lead." the national lead now. the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager by an officer has caused problems in ferguson, missouri, wounds that have yet to heal. we could learn any day now whether darren wilson, the officer involved in that shooting, will be or will not be indicted by a grand jury. many worry if he is not, we'll see a repeat or escalation of the chaos and looting and violence that unfolded in ferguson in the days after michael brown was killed. so in an effort to prevent an outbreak, organizers have started rules of engagement. they are asking for 48 hours' notice before any grand jury decision and for police to avoid wearing specialized riot gear. they also want police to be more tolerant of what they call minor law breaking, such as water
bottles getting thrown at officers. joining me now, alderman french, thank you for joining us. let's talk about these so-called rules of engagement. have you heard back from the police or prosecutor's office about whether they plan to go along with any of these requests? >> so first, i haven't really been involved in any organizing of protests but i've been supportive of the young people out here and the message they are trying to get across. from what i understand, a request that has been submitted to the police, the unified command has been received and is being taken into consideration. many of them are very moderate requests and done in a spirit to keep the peace. >> but you have not heard back. if these protest groups get a heads up, they go along with the 48 hours' heads up request, what will be done to try to prevent any violence? >> yeah, i think that's really good for everyone in the community. there's a lot of anxiety right
now about what may or may not happen in the week or days to come. i think it would be -- it would serve us all well to have a bit of notice so that we can have community partners engaged, schools can be notified. superintendents have requested pretty much the same thing of the county prosecutor to give them a heads up. so as we all sit here on pins and needles waiting for this shoe to drop, i think it's good for law enforcement to prosecute as well as citizens to be able to communicate to keep our community safe. >> so protests are asking police to tolerate -- maybe there's a better word for it -- things such as water bottles getting thrown at them. i mean, officers, don't they have to right to protect and defend themselves if someone starts throwing things at them? >> absolutely. i think officers definitely have a right to protect themselves. i think what protests are asking for is for police not to
overreact in the same way that we saw back in august where in a crowd of several hundred people, one individual may throw a bottle and police respond with rubber bullets and tear gas into entire crowds that included women and children. it's important for them not to overreact and to keep the peace. keep in mind, there may be a few individuals out there who are not going to be peaceful and we need to work together to deal with them and to keep peace ultimately in our whole community. >> alderman french, just to be candid, it's unlikely that officer wilson is going to be indicted and i say that based not only on the leaks that have come out of the process but also the fact that it's very difficult to indict a police officer in a he said/he said type of event. what are you and other community organizers going to try to do in the next days and weeks to try
to make sure there's no more unnecessary violence, no more of what we saw on the streets in ferguson in august? >> well, first, i don't boy that premise that there will definitely not be an indictment. i'm holding out hope because ultimately -- not because i'm prejudging the guilt of mr. wilson but i know that the community right now needs an opportunity to have all of the evidence presented in a fair way with both sides to have an opportunity to lay out their cases and that can only be done in a trial. i think that's what is going to be required to have long-term peace and to really do the healing we need to see. as for the violence, we want to stop violence on both sides. the folks out here are upset about the violence perpetrated against young african-americans and right fully everyone in the community does not like to see this over -- this anger-fueled violence that we saw a few weeks ago. so we need to all work together,
both community and police, to make sure that both in the short term and long term we are making our community more peaceful for everybody here. >> we are all hoping for peace. alderman french, thank you very much. sure they are hounded by personal scandals that have buried their political careers in the past but this is 2014. we can't let the other guy win. are we so divided that morality doesn't matter anymore? against all enemies foreign and domestic... ♪ ♪ if yand you're talking toevere rheumyour rheumatologiste me, about a biologic...
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world, candidates can get away with the most hypocritical behavior, as long as they are wearing the right jerseys. suzanne malveaux is joining us. >> jake, you'd be amazed at what some of these candidates have done or alleged to have done, still get elected anyway. and one of the most common tactics that they use, they are asking voters for redemption. voters are an awfully for giving bunch. just check out these guys. the midterm winners. the republican doctor who got one of his patients pregnant and then demanded she get an abortion. the federally indicted congressman who threatened to throw a reporter over a balcony. or how about the ex-con who served four terms as louisiana's governor now leading the pact to get his old job back? what is going on? >> as long as you're wearing the right colored jersey, it doesn't
matter if you'll be wearing a jumpsuit in a couple of months. >> we really appreciate this big win. it's nice to have a great margin of victory. >> reporter: congressman scott is the pro-life republican and doctor who slept with multiple patients, got one pregnant and demanded she and expecting wife got pregnant. but hey, he apologized. ♪ after all, who doesn't like a comeback? >> but it ain't about how hard you hit. it's about -- >> how hard you can get hit. and keep moving forward. >> reporter: new york congressman michael grime faced a 20-count indictment and was caught on tape threatening a reporter who asked about it.
in washington, d.c., democrat william kennedy smith won his neighborhood commission seat. smith had been tried and acquitted of rape in a televised trial during the '90s. louisiana former governor who served nearly nine years for extortion campaigned on the slogan vote for the crook. it's important. now he's in the read heading into december's runoff. california congressional candidate carl demaio was charged with sexual misconduct before being cleared. >> i think all of us could use a break and just look at what the outcome is. >> so i do have to agree with him. we could all use a break from the shennanigans here but not everybody gets a pass.
look at the case of the so-called kissing congressman, vance mccallister making out with his scheduler but then had his wife appear by his side who said she was blessed to have a husband who owns up to his mistakes. jake, he came in fourth. i have a question for you. do you think if any of these candidates were women, that they would have been forgiven? >> i don't know but i need a shower after that. i'm turning you over to wolf blitzer. wolf? happening now, bomb maker killed, apparently taken out in a u.s. air strike in syria. does the terror group from his threat remain imminent? i'll speak with mike rogers. bin laden bombshell. a former u.s. navy s.e.a.l. says he fired the shot that killed the world's most wanted terrorist. why is his claim sparking a huge controversy right now? kidnapping